08 axles

[duse]

Hopeing this works.
This is the old axle compared to the new.
The new one has such a clean break ,it looks like it was cut.
I tried to get a pic of the cv's but it dident come out to good

[Rubberdown]

Holy shit, that does look like it was a clean cut, maybe they made them smaller in diameter but harder with the material and heat treat and it made them brittle or something, you usually NEVER see the axle shaft break, at least I never have!!!!

["Bankrupt"]

when polaris machined out the axles, the change the diam and make smaller areas for the boot and then a smaller area where the spline meet. that is where your going to get a break when it happens. thats the weakest part of the axles.

get gorillas. you will notice that the gorilla axles are one solid size. no boot relief, no diam changes. its a solid bar of equal diam from one end to the other to keep the from breaking.

[Riven]

My Axle System axles have only a slight dip where the boot clamps to the axle. Only 1/8" or less deep. I cant ever see breaking an axle that is 3/4"+ dia. unless its tempered wrong.

Those new ones sure are smaller. I hope they changed the material to keep the strength the same.

[Rubberdown]

Those new ones sure are smaller. I hope they changed the material to keep the strength the same.

Thats what I was getting at, maybe by going smaller, their "engineer's" decided to go with a harder heat treat on the rockwell scale or they used something like O1 material and it turned out like glass, hard as rock, but no toughness left in the material after the heat treat process???

[Riven]

I want to see some D2 axles or some from S7 perhaps.
That D2 stuff it tough as hell but it would be expensive.
A good triple draw temper followed by cryo dip should give one hell of a strong axle.

Even just sending stock axles to cryo would help a fair bit, but if they are already to brittle it wont help one bit.
If you could find out what material they are it would be easy to re-temper them to bring town the hardness a bit to give some more strength.

[Riven]

Just a little something on cryogenic tempering

http://www.onecryo.com/onecryo/motorsp.htm

[Rubberdown]

Funny, we actually just started using some of that deep freeze technology on a few tools we have made, but I dont know if it helped at all, its suppose to stabalize the molecules in the steel or some shit.

I dont think you will find any manufacturur willing to use S7, that shit might as well be gold with the price of it, and its hard to get, we get litteraly tons of it each week for a certain customer and that shit aint cheap by ANY means LOL. I would think a 4140 pre-hard would be pretty good, affordable, pretty strong and tough as far as what type of contitions the actual shafts are under. Maybe take it up to about 50 Rc. and give it a triple draw or something like that LOL. I dont know, I jsut know we do a lot of steel tools and we always try the have the shanks tempered back and triple drawn for more toughness to take out the brittleness that would be more on the cutting edge.

[Riven]

I built a knife for a guy a few years back & the shop that did the heat treat put it through cryo when they were told not to just to save $$$. It was only a show peace.

Well that blade felt like it was oiled. It was totally dry but had this neat slick feel.

We dont usually do much for work.

[duse]

BUT....even if you sent the axles to have tampered or whatever,
you would then still have the CV's to deal with.
I'v had more CV's break then axles
I dident get a good pic of them but I would compare the new CV's to the
size of the ones on the Rancher.Thier that small.
I'm hopeing I have the willpower to hold out on getting the 800HO untill spring,(yeah right)
maybe they will switch back to the old style or the new ones will prove themselves.
Whats the razor 1 or 2 months old?They already made changes to that.

[Rubberdown]

what changes were made to the RZR, I read last night there is a 1st generation and a 2nd generation, what was the change made?

[Bigdog800EFI]

Clutch and springs. That all I heard.

[Rubberdown]

LOL, thats good, as long as they havent re-designed the suspension ;)

[duse]

Clutch and springs. That all I heard.

I dident know anything about the clutching,but that would make sense since , if they used the 07 clutch first and then switched to the new 800 HO clutch.
Why not take the 800 HO primary and put it on say another bike?

The only change I saw was the front storage box is new.
The old one(lol a month old) has the rubber gromet type snap in for the box ,the new one has turn knobs and hinges ,then once the lid is open you have 2 or 4 torx head screw's tha you can take out to get under the box.

[PoPoRZR]

GEN2 Has a litlle bit a larger flooroard also.....Not so crampy...