Help with tire selection!! [Archive]

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 10:15 AM

Hello everyone. I have just purchased my first ever Can Am (2010 Outlander 800 R XT) and I need to upgrade to 28" tires for ground clearance. I want to keep my stock rims. I have already ordered the RD 2" lift. Is it possible to put any 28x9 or 28x10 tire on the front without it rubbing the tie rod end without spacers. Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the help.

silverz98

01-07-2010, 10:29 AM

id say look in to the zillas not the mud zillas just the zillas, there one of lightest tires out there work good in mud and ride good on trails

wildboar

01-07-2010, 10:47 AM

Ya I agree those zillas are a great all around tire good for some mud riding and smooth and good traction for the trails. no need to worry they should fit right in without any rubbing. I run 28x10 silverbacks with a 2inch lift and there is lots of room. I know guys that run the 30s and just let the tires rub alittle of the plastic on the foot well off or just take a heat gun and straighten it out a little so it doesn't touch
Awsome atv man good choice

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 10:47 AM

If I mounted a 28x10 zilla on my stock rim would it rub the tie rod end on the front?

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 10:57 AM

Hey wildboar, what bike to you have the silverbacks on. If it's an outty are they mounted on the stock rims.

wildboar

01-07-2010, 11:13 AM

Ya it's an outlander but sorry the silvers are not on stock rims so I can't say for sure your tires will not rub on the stock rims. But by adding a 10inch wide tire in the front your only adding 1inch on the inside and I am going to guess you have more then 1 inch of room to play with in there hopefully someone that has done this will the stock rims will reply and let us know for sure.
Sorry I don't have the answer for you

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 11:31 AM

Thanks for the info. I just went out and looked (not measured) and I would say there is only at best 5/8" between the stock tire and tie rod. Maybe a 9" something would fit.

"Bankrupt"

01-07-2010, 11:44 AM

I know for a fact that 10" tires rub the tie rod on the front with stock wheels. I'm not sure about the 9".

If you go with 14" they won't rub at all, but that means getting a different set of wheels. I'm running 14" on mine with 28 Zilla's. Love them, they are the best all around tire I've ever ran.

wildboar

01-07-2010, 11:45 AM

The 28inch zilla doesn't come in a 9inch only a 10inch wide but the 27inch zilla comes in a 9inch wide.:frusty: It's funny what us atvers can go through trying to find that perfect tire. tire weight charts, measurements, will it do good in the mud but good on the trails. we will take a month to pick tires but when we head to the mall for a new pair of shoes it's in and then get the h$ll out in 10mins or atleast thats the way it is for me anyway lol.

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 01:06 PM

Wildboar has it pegged right. I go to the store, get what I came for and get out. I'm already losing sleep over this tire thing. I didn't notice the can am's had the tie rod that close to the tire until I had already bought it:whoo:. I have ran the Mudzillas on several grizzles and to date they are the only tire I have not holed bad. I use my bikes for work and I don't hardly ever hit half throttle. Most of the time its just put put put through the mud. I guess I just need to get my mind (or whatever I have up there) made up:noidea:

scar_11

01-07-2010, 01:28 PM

Thanks for the info. I just went out and looked (not measured) and I would say there is only at best 5/8" between the stock tire and tie rod. Maybe a 9" something would fit.

9 inch will fit but you will have to put a couple washers as spacers. If you want ground clearance look at getting Can am HD springs, they will not let the front end sag so much and give you the extra ground clearance.

scar_11

01-07-2010, 01:35 PM

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 02:17 PM

mac102004

01-07-2010, 03:33 PM

You need wheel spacers up front for 9-10" tires. You only need them in the front though, and since your adding a lift kit, it will even it out. When you add a lift kit to an ATV with A-arms it pulls them in, and makes it narrower. So the spacers will even it out with the back.

scar_11

01-07-2010, 03:42 PM

That is one good looking atv. I just can't afford 14" wheels right now. Since I got this going I have lost more hair and sleep. HL makes a 28x9.5x12 Outlaw that could possibly fit the front. Do any of you think I could fit this tire up front by just adding a few washers? Thanks for the spring info to. I noticed right off the front seemed extra soft even with the preload jacked all the way up.

The springs are cheap and they will give you over a inch lift. I would go with the 27 zilla's as they make a 9 width. With going with the 9.5 you will have to add close to a inch of washers and I think that will put alot of stress on the lugs because the rim will be so close to the end of the lug and with a tire like the outlaw that just seem like asking for trouble.

What kind of riding do you do the most?

silverz98

01-07-2010, 03:49 PM

im running 12in itp wheels with 9in zilla in front no lift installed yet and i get no rubbing

scar_11

01-07-2010, 04:19 PM

im running 12in itp wheels with 9in zilla in front no lift installed yet and i get no rubbing

But the ITP aftermarket wheels are off set. He was going to use stock wheels witch will rub

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 04:26 PM

Almost all of my riding is in and out of marsh (beaver ponds) type areas. I make my living trapping beaver and dewatering their impoundments. I want my atv to get me into and out of these areas but I am always easy on the machine (throttle). I just need all the ground clearance I can get. As far as covering myself with mud I don't care for that.

scar_11

01-07-2010, 04:36 PM

Almost all of my riding is in and out of marsh (beaver ponds) type areas. I make my living trapping beaver and dewatering their impoundments. I want my atv to get me into and out of these areas but I am always easy on the machine (throttle). I just need all the ground clearance I can get. As far as covering myself with mud I don't care for that.

If I was you I would stay to 12 inch rims because of the floatation. I would look at getting a 1 inch spacer for up front and the Outlaw tires

silverz98

01-07-2010, 06:22 PM

the itp rims i have are the same offset as stock

hampster_rancher

01-07-2010, 07:27 PM

If you want ground clearance look at getting Can am HD springs, they will not let the front end sag so much and give you the extra ground clearance.

Rubberdowns front lift gets rid of that saggy spring issue as well.....changes the way the bike dips in the front when you jam on the brakes...gets rid of that nose dive feeling.

Thingamajigger

01-07-2010, 07:56 PM

If I was you I would stay to 12 inch rims because of the floatation. I would look at getting a 1 inch spacer for up front and the Outlaw tires

Thanks for all the info. At this time I am really considering the above quote.

mac102004

01-08-2010, 07:01 AM

the itp rims i have are the same offset as stock

ITP rims make the bike about +1" wider per wheel.

14's don't look right unless they are on 30's+. However, 14's on smaller tires like the 26" Bighorn and Terracross tires with 14" wheels, handle awesome because of the minimal sidewall flex.

silverz98

01-08-2010, 08:27 AM

im telling you now the itp rims i got are no wider than my stock 12in ones with the off set, how i know i messered them

mac102004

01-08-2010, 11:40 AM

I don't know how you measured them. The stock rims are 12x6 in the front and 12x7.5 in the rear, and the ITP's are 12x7.

So you are telling me that they did not make your bike any wider? With the ITP wheels and 12" wide Outlaws by bike is almost 53.5" wide in the rear, and 50" wide in the front, roughly. Thats considerably wider than stock.

scar_11

01-08-2010, 12:19 PM

im telling you now the itp rims i got are no wider than my stock 12in ones with the off set, how i know i messered them

The off set is not the width of the rim it is where the dish is located in a rim

this image can explain what I am talking about

http://image.automotive.com/f/tech/wheels/9904878+pheader/0611mt_01_z+offset_wheels+offset_chart.jpg

I am saying the ITP have a negative off set comparied to the stock can am rims

00Boss

01-08-2010, 01:14 PM

I am saying the ITP have a positive off set comparied to the stock can am rims

I believe your saying that they have a negative offset. Causing the wheel to make the bike wider 1" per side. Which i am almost positive all ITP rims are.

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scar_11

01-08-2010, 02:00 PM

I believe your saying that they have a negative offset. Causing the wheel to make the bike wider 1" per side. Which i am almost positive all ITP rims are.

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Ya that what I mean

"Bankrupt"

01-08-2010, 06:32 PM

You DON'T want to run Outlaws if your using this bike for work. You will tire quickly of the poor ride and they wear out fast if your not riding on soft ground/mud 95% of the time.

00Boss

01-08-2010, 07:05 PM

Almost all of my riding is in and out of marsh (beaver ponds) type areas. I make my living trapping beaver and dewatering their impoundments. I want my atv to get me into and out of these areas

Based on this i would go against the zilla due to the risk of puncturing it. You dont need such a lite weight tire if you are using the bike for work. Plus its an 800. Also i would go against any pure mud tire such as the outlaws, due to their soft rubber compound. You need a durable tire, one that can be run flat (0 psi) and still get you outta the bush. Although lots of tires are 6 ply there is deffinatly a difference in side wall thickness from one 6ply to the next. Sadly there is no perfect tire out there. For durability i would suggest tires such as the mudwolf i run, or a bighorn/ tundracross. Being in ponds your going to want tires that paddle somewhat, but usually tires that paddle are tires that have big lugs.........i dont know what to tell you, other than your gonna have to get tires, and try them out, if they dont work, try another set. Good luck :ohwell:

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