Can Am Gear Reduciton

[BlazenTex]

I have one of my diffs out already and I figure another afternoon and I could get the front one out also. So why not go ahead and do it. My 650 has a hard time in the real nasty goo seams like it bogs down a little. I need any info you guys got on this gonna do something this week even if that means takeing it to the lottadebt crew in Henderson, but the name says it all and I hate debt. But I know they'll do somehting long as I can pay for it.

[got wake?]

as far as i know, there are no gear reductions out at this time. mrrpm should be testing out some 4.44:1 gears right now. projected price of about $1k for front and rear gear reductions.

[BlazenTex]

Talked to Mr RPM today he said they had a "setback" on the gears he said just to put the 912cc kit on it and that would fix everythng and its only 500 more than the gear reduction. Plus its about 77 hp to the wheels where as a stock 650 is only about 38 hp. That will get it done!

[RinconMudder]

38 hp for a stock 650!! I think my rincon had 38.5hp stock, but if that can-am have 38 i must be getting around 2......

["Bankrupt"]

A Rincon might have 38.5 HP at the engine but he's talking about RWHP. Line up against a 650 stock for stock or mod for mod, and he will eat you for lunch pretty much every time.

I agree that the bigger bore kits will cure all your problems of not enough HP... Just do eat!!!!

[got wake?]

keep in mind that the 912 is 57 rwhp by itself. the '09 800 intake will bump it up to 59. add the full muzzy and get it up to 62. the gen2 cams will get it up to 76 hp. a bored throttle body will get it up to 78. don't think that just bolting on the 912 will get you in the high 70's. but putting it all together for about $2800 will get you up to the high 70's.

[BlazenTex]

You are correct my freind the complete deal was 1900 with the core of my jugs. That was with them assembling my heads and doing some work on the journals. then you would need the intake for the dealer Its around 100 and the PC3 and Muzzy exhaust for around 1G so for about 3000 I can have something that would blow the doors off just about anything at the park. I was real pleased to find out that the 650 and 800 are the same bottom end and take most of the same bolt on parts.
On the Rincon you MIGHT have 20 hp at the wheels 25 if your lucky. Way big difference in dyno at the motor and dyno at the wheels, you don't think those mustangs have 300 hp at the wheels and run a 15 in the 1/4. That just don't add up.
Also I forgot I would have to get a new clutch to handle all this from supreme tool and its 800 bucks. It would all be worth it to stand the big maxx up on dry ground THAT WOULD BE BAD ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[Vertigo]

Its aggrevating. I wish I was a better mechanic, or knew of someone I could trust to do it right and I would have a 912 kit in a second. I already have the Muzzy and fuel controller. I just don't trust myself to break open the engine lol

["Bankrupt"]

Why not? It's a pretty simple plug and play deal. John Cannon has a bunch of videos on youtube showing how to do it, step by step.

[got wake?]

Why not? It's a pretty simple plug and play deal. John Cannon has a bunch of videos on youtube showing how to do it, step by step.


X2. i tore into my motor and put it back together almost a month later without any previous experience. no videos, but i did take a bunch of pictures of the disassembly and have the service manual that was minimal help.


$3k will definitely get you a bike that hauls. but as you figured out, without clutching to go with, it'll be about worthless and you'll burn up belts FAST. the 3 weight STM primary is great, but then add on whatever its gonna cost to modify the stock secondary or buy an aftermarket secondary. there will also be more aftermarket clutch options in the future. quadworx has their secondary that should be done with testing in the next few weeks, but it ain't gonna be cheap. i really want to do a dyno test of the STM secondary and quadworx secondary to see which transfers more power to the ground.

[BlazenTex]

Got Wake seams like you have done as much looking into this as me and maybe a little more. Do you eat or sleep?

[BlazenTex]

I've been thinking that maybe the 840cc is the best kit b/c you wouldn't have to by that 1000 $ clutch to go with it and I just do trail riding. Plus mine is a 650 so that should be enough power to do what I need. Ballin on a Budget

[scar_11]

Not to Hi Jack

But do you know what the HP on a stock 09 800 outty is at the rear wheels

[got wake?]

Not to Hi Jack

But do you know what the HP on a stock 09 800 outty is at the rear wheels


it depends on the dyno, but i've seen anywhere from 44 to 50 hp.

[got wake?]

Got Wake seams like you have done as much looking into this as me and maybe a little more. Do you eat or sleep?


my gut will be proof enough that i eat, but as for the sleeping, well that's a whole other subject :frusty:


i don't think you can bore out a 650 to an 840. if you find someone who has an 800 and is upgrading to a 912, then you can swap jugs with them and get the 800 jugs bored to an 840. i had planned to upgrade to a 900+ cc motor, but after hearing about the quadworx secondary coming out, i think that's where my next purchase is going to be. there's too much stuff and not enough time and money for everything i want right now :tape2:

[BlazenTex]

Mr RPM also make a straight bolt on 840cc kit Its 700 less than the 912cc kit. and that makes it only like 1200 for everything to doit including cams and MrRPM installing the cams and grinding the journals. check it out on youtube its not as fast as the 912cc but its considerably faster than the stock 800.

[stricker76]

Damn it. I want a Can Am. I want a bolt on 840 kit for $1200. And they will bolt right on a 650 or 800?

[got wake?]

Mr RPM also make a straight bolt on 840cc kit Its 700 less than the 912cc kit. and that makes it only like 1200 for everything to doit including cams and MrRPM installing the cams and grinding the journals. check it out on youtube its not as fast as the 912cc but its considerably faster than the stock 800.


stock 800's don't even come close to my 840. the last 800 i raced had high comp pistons, cams, RW exhaust, and stock tires. i was on 29.5's and beat him pretty bad. a built 840 can do some work.

[got wake?]

Damn it. I want a Can Am. I want a bolt on 840 kit for $1200. And they will bolt right on a 650 or 800?


sure you can handle it? :tape2: you gotta walk before you can run, so going to a stock can-am 800 would be the first step to get you used to more performance than your popo :bolt: a can-am 840 with the usual engine mods would put it probably double the HP of what you are on now. you can get to around 70 rwhp with an 840.

[RinconMudder]

Why is there no such kits for Honda's!!!!!!!!! :Cry: Wish i could be an atv engineer just to build myself the badest bike out there.... but i'm not.

[scar_11]

Damn it. I want a Can Am. I want a bolt on 840 kit for $1200. And they will bolt right on a 650 or 800?

I knew you had a twinkle in your eye when you seen my machine

[stricker76]

Actually this is the one that gave me a chubbie for a canned ham that i havn't been able to get rid of.....yet.

http://www.rubberdowncustoms.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=85&pictureid=770

Add an 840 kit. I dunno though. Cheapest i have found a new 800 outty for is still $2000 more than the cheapest XP850 i have found. Too damn much!

[BlazenTex]

You get what you pay for remember that. And I'm Sold on the 840 kit without a doubt probly do it when it gets real hot this summer so I can stay in the shade for a couple of days.

[got wake?]

Actually this is the one that gave me a chubbie for a canned ham that i havn't been able to get rid of.....yet.

http://www.rubberdowncustoms.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=85&pictureid=770

Add an 840 kit. I dunno though. Cheapest i have found a new 800 outty for is still $2000 more than the cheapest XP850 i have found. Too damn much!


you get what you pay for :fencing: this was worth every penny:

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp202/gotwake81/32%20silverbacks/DSC_0129Medium.jpg

[BlazenTex]

Man that thing is NASTY. a honda would be scared to to be in front of that thing on the trail. I thought mine looked mean but thats pretty tuff with those skinnys wheelson it.
Hey I just saw the breif case on the back is that where you keep your electronics?

[hampster_rancher]

Cheapest i have found a new 800 outty for is still $2000 more than the cheapest XP850 i have found. Too damn much!

IMO Scott, that $2000 is worth it for the bike not to be in the shop getting the front end done twice a year.

["Bankrupt"]

IMO Scott, that $2000 is worth it for the bike not to be in the shop getting the front end done twice a year.

Damn I couldn't have said it better myself. Besides that, your getting a 3 year warranty to go along with it.

I rode my last Polaris like balls and it was ready for the scrap yard after about 11 months. I did a crap load of work on it myself after 4 months because the dealer refused to warranty it. I've had this newest Can Am for right at a year and have had 0 things go wrong with it other than front brake pads and the tail light bulb blew. I've rode it every bit as hard as I rode the Polaris and probably even harder. The only difference is the Polaris saw more mud, but the Can am has seen a crap load of hills, jumps and balls to the wall trail riding.

[got wake?]

Man that thing is NASTY. a honda would be scared to to be in front of that thing on the trail. I thought mine looked mean but thats pretty tuff with those skinnys wheelson it.
Hey I just saw the breif case on the back is that where you keep your electronics?


that is my tuning case. when i do EFI or CVT tuning, i use it to log data and make precise adjustments. it can monitor A/F ratio on both cylinders at the same time, RPM, TPS, EGT, MPH, MAP, and more, depending on what i hook to it. it's actually a little bulky and does more than i need for most tunes. i'm going to get the LM-2 to replace the LM-1 for A/F monitoring, so its just one small box for taking readings. i'll be taking the aux box i have and hooking it to their wireless iphone interface to make a separate tuning case setup for clutch tuning. i'm sure most won't understand all that, but that's what i go through for tuning bikes. i like doing things right and having the tools necessary to get the job done.

oh, and hondas are only in front of me if they aren't riding in my group. there's three of us that always take point, all with can-ams, all with 30's or 32's on crush locks, and two of us have built 840's. these bikes are just respond so well to mods and do so well. i can't see me going to another brand, unless someone else makes some great improvements over the can-ams.

[BlazenTex]

Where are you located at I could use a good tune after I get the exhaust and PC3. anywhere close to Texas?

[stricker76]

The only difference is the Polaris saw more mud, but the Can am has seen a crap load of hills, jumps and balls to the wall trail riding.

So far the only problems i have had with my popo were due to my stupidity in the mud. lol

[RinconMudder]

Didn't know you were that much stupid.....

[hampster_rancher]

Didn't know you were that much stupid.....

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[got wake?]

Where are you located at I could use a good tune after I get the exhaust and PC3. anywhere close to Texas?


nope, daytona beach, fl. but i'm sure i can find someone near your area that can tune it for you.

[4x4danny4x4]

nope, daytona beach, fl. but i'm sure i can find someone near your area that can tune it for you.

Wow didn't know u where in Florida I'm like 3 hours or so down south in boca raton. Would love someone who knows what there doing to look at my bike and check it out

[got wake?]

Wow didn't know u where in Florida I'm like 3 hours or so down south in boca raton. Would love someone who knows what there doing to look at my bike and check it out


its 3-3.5 hours depending on how fast you drive. but i don't have a lot of time to look at bikes. i've got a least half a dozen bikes waiting for me to tune them.

[scar_11]

Actually this is the one that gave me a chubbie for a canned ham that i havn't been able to get rid of.....yet.

http://www.rubberdowncustoms.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=85&pictureid=770

Add an 840 kit. I dunno though. Cheapest i have found a new 800 outty for is still $2000 more than the cheapest XP850 i have found. Too damn much!

Thats a nice looking machine

[RinconMudder]

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He said that about everything he broke on his bike was due to his stupidity, so i told myself : "Humm.... he must be very stupid!" as a joke. But right now i think i'm the one who looks stupid.... sorry.

[BlazenTex]

OK Wake I'm Gonna try to get the exhaust soon Might be a couple of months though, It seems the Miss wants a house before any more big purchases can be made. I'll start another thread when it comes to that. This one is getting long.