Swamp Lox

[Vertigo]

For awhile now I have been thinking about running some aluminum Swamp Lox. I got a price from Paul, seems fair. The only thing that I am thinking about though, is what are they like on off-camber stuff, like riding hills sideways, rough terrain with washed out ditches etc?

I will more then likely be putting them on my 30 SBacks, they are a fairly hard tire to begin with, but will I have to worry a lot about the sidewalls folding over on really technical areas? Out here in this corner of Manitoba, you're either chin deep in water and mud, or you're riding washouts on the side of a 45' hill.

Also, how much better are they for pit racing? What are they like in REALLY soft bottoms, do they cut/dig too much? Can you still water wheelie easily with them?

[Rubberdown]

I'll give you my opinion and I hope others also chime in.

For Pit racing, there is no substitute if you want to be competitive.

You CAN still water wheelie with them, you dont really want to when racing, but when you are out trail riding, put some air in them like a normal tire and up you go ;)

On a soft bottom they can ding more than a wide tire foot print

I have done some side hill and technical riding and they seem fine, I have done so with 32" backs and 28" Vampire EDL's

[stricker76]

Never rode on em but i have riden with a few people running them and they dont seem to hinder regular trailriding like i thought they would.

[Vertigo]

Yeah I understand front end down in pit racing. But like I was saying, and if you watch the videos I posted a while back you'll see, almost every 'puddle' out here is 5' deep lol So for regular riding we have to keep the fronts up.

Nice to know they don't flex that bad on technical stuff. I would assume a smaller compound tire like an Outlaw would flex a little more then an SBack?

Decisions, decisions

[Rubberdown]

Yes on the laws, they are not nearly as rigid as the backs, you can run backs on lox flat all day long, but with the laws (at least the 29.5's), they are soft and do require air to keep them standing up, especially on the heavier machines.

[got wake?]

you'll have to relearn how to ride on them if you ride aggressively. i really like riding on my crushed 32's now. it's fun, but can get scary sometimes if you push it too hard.

["Bankrupt"]

The biggest thing to remember is that with the lox (unless you run spacers) your quad is narrower with them than with a regular set of rims/tires. That will make the bike a little easier to tip over if your leaning to one side or the other.

If your not racing and plan on using them for recreation riding where you will be putting constant side flex on them, you might consider running the steel lox. They are a bit sturdier. Maybe Paul can chime in on the strength difference between the steel and aluminum lox.

As for the 29.5 flexing more, you have to remember that the 29.5's use a 12" rim and the 30 backs are 14". The smaller the rim the more sidewall you have. The more sidewall the more flex and roll you will have in the tire.

[hampster_rancher]

The biggest thing to remember is that with the lox (unless you run spacers) your quad is narrower with them than with a regular set of rims/tires. That will make the bike a little easier to tip over if your leaning to one side or the other.



Sorry Eric, I usually don't, but I have to disagree with you here. If you were to mount up a set of 30" Backs on "normal" rims on the front of any Can Am, you would need to run spacers. There is no negative offset in a LoX style rim, so my wheels and tires are actually almost 4" away from my tie rod end. The center of the tire is almost 3" farther from center of the bike on each side. The only thing narrower is the actual foot print of the tire.

Stock tires with stock offset on my Renegade are almost still under the fenders. With my 30's on LoX, almost the entire tire is outside the fenders making the bike WAY less tippy in turns and off cambers.

Water wheelies are possible if you run some air or if there is enough traction to power the front end up. They will dig more, but in most cases, you can make up for that with wheel speed. ;) For trails, you can just air them up to get rid of any roll in the tires, but there won't be much with 'Backs.

I think I am on my 5th or 6th set of LoX now and love them, I've ridden with too many guys popping the beads off in ruts and that will never happen with these tires/wheels!

[4x4danny4x4]

I really want to put 32s on 14 aluminum loxs. Not for racing just to play in the mud at mudfest. Do they hit the head lights? Also want to run them with air. Anything else I need to worry about and where can I get some?

[Rubberdown]

you can get them from me, what machine do you wanna put the 32's on?

[4x4danny4x4]

you can get them from me, what machine do you wanna put the 32's on?

My outy 800

[Rubberdown]

not sure on the head light thing, sorry.

["Bankrupt"]

Just order them from Paul and get a lift while you at it. 32's will tear the headlight out of the housing with 32's and no lift.

[4x4danny4x4]

Just order them from Paul and get a lift while you at it. 32's will tear the headlight out of the housing with 32's and no lift.

All ready got the gen 2 and do they have valve stems and how much r they it doesn't let me view the products on the website.

[stricker76]

Here ya go, see if this link will work for ya.

http://www.rubberdowncustoms.ca/wheels.html

And yes they do have valvestems.

[Rubberdown]

my work computer is the same way, if you look on the main page just below the polaris sportsman that lifts on the screen, below that is the message forum link and just below that is a link titled Site Map, that will let you navigate the product site.

Out wheels have the BEST valve stem system of ANY of the ones being made anywhere, that is a promise!

Here is the link directly to the Swamp Lox page,
http://www.rubberdowncustoms.ca/wheels.html

[4x4danny4x4]

How much more weight r the steel one over the aluminum ones. I'm only using them for fun not racing so is it realy worth the extra money for the aluminum ones.

[English]

well they wont rust and look wicked.

["Bankrupt"]

The steel ones won't rust either. Paul powder coats all his lox, except the aluminum ones, and he can powder coat those too if you want.

[4x4danny4x4]

well they wont rust and look wicked.

Don't they look the same as steel?

[Rubberdown]

Thats correct, the steel ones come powder coated, and the option is there to powder coat the aluminum ones also.

The 14" steel sets weighs about 83 pounds boxed up, and the aluminum is about 25 pounds for the set.

[Rubberdown]

Don't they look the same as steel?

Yes, they are the same but I think he was referring to the steel ones being powder coated.

[4x4danny4x4]

Do u do a combo with tires for a good price?

[Rubberdown]

where are you located?

[4x4danny4x4]

Florida 33428

[got wake?]

definitely get aluminum lox! i have 29.5's on steel and 32's on aluminum, and i'll never buy steel ones again. too much added rotational mass for no purpose. and aluminum is plenty strong.

[Rubberdown]

Florida 33428

I could sell you the Swamp Lox but you would have to order your own tires, I could recommend a great source for tires for you, they have free shipping on a lot of their tires.

[Vertigo]

Didn't know the aluminum ones were that light. I'll wait to see how far my rack and clutches set me back then I may be getting a set from you, nothing for sure though. I would definently think I would enjoy them...man I wish I was addicted to a cheaper sport, like badminton, or beach volleyball.

["Bankrupt"]

man I wish I was addicted to a cheaper sport, like badminton, or beach volleyball.

Been there done that. I've tried every other hobby there is just about. Thought I needed to get away from things with engines after dropping 10k into a rail buggy, 15k into a rock crawler Jeep then Fishing boats, ATV's, 2k in RC cars and other motorized hobbies.

So I got into aquariums.... Wound up having like 5k in a salt water aquarium.

Then got into paint ball.... After I dropped 800.00 on a gun I said enough.

Got into computers and gaming... My last rig was over 3k and that's not counting monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers and other stuff. That's just the computer tower. Not to mention I have 2 other gaming rigs setup at my desk plus the gaming computer Stacey has...

Bottom line is I learned that no matter what I do, I'm going to do it all out and go with the biggest and best there is.

[stricker76]

Bottom line is I learned that no matter what I do, I'm going to do it all out and go with the biggest and best there is.

But you ride a can am?:tape:

["Bankrupt"]

But you ride a can am?:tape:

Exactly!!!!

["Bankrupt"]

I use to ride a Polaris until I decided to get the biggest and baddest!!!!

[got wake?]

But you ride a can am?:tape:


i guess you didn't read what you quoted? :tape: until polaris switches from the inline motor to a v-twin, they won't and cannot be competitive for motor upgrades. plus they still look like they smashed into a brick wall :frusty:

[got wake?]

Bottom line is I learned that no matter what I do, I'm going to do it all out and go with the biggest and best there is.


i swore up and down that i was going to keep my jet ski stock that i bought about two months ago. it only has 9 hours on it and $1400 in it for mild upgrades. my wish list has another $4k on it :tape: so much for stock!

[stricker76]

i guess you didn't read what you quoted? :tape: until polaris switches from the inline motor to a v-twin, they won't and cannot be competitive for motor upgrades. plus they still look like they smashed into a brick wall :frusty:

Agreed on the motor upgrades. But the 850's aint that bad. Thought this was posted under wheels & tires, not the can-am section?

[stricker76]

i swore up and down that i was going to keep my jet ski stock that i bought about two months ago. it only has 9 hours on it and $1400 in it for mild upgrades. my wish list has another $4k on it :tape: so much for stock!

My wife just kind of gives me a look now every time i order something else for the quad. I talked her into me getting a new quad because i was always fixing the old 800, and was sick of spending money on it. Since i got the XP it seems like every time i ride i think of something else i want. I'm sure i'll stop spending money on it.....once i buy something else to play with.

[4x4danny4x4]

I could sell you the Swamp Lox but you would have to order your own tires, I could recommend a great source for tires for you, they have free shipping on a lot of their tires.

Who's the tire source?

[Rubberdown]

atvoutfitters.net
ask for Mathew if you have any questions and tell him I sent you his way.

[got wake?]

atvoutfitters.net
ask for Mathew if you have any questions and tell him I sent you his way.


i second atvoutfitters. matt is great to deal with and his prices are great. i've bought a bunch from him and have recommended a lot of people to buy from him, and all have been extremely satisfied.

[got wake?]

Agreed on the motor upgrades. But the 850's aint that bad. Thought this was posted under wheels & tires, not the can-am section?


the 850 still doesn't have the kind of upgrades to put it out in front of the rest. can-am dominates pretty much all racing events for a reason :canada:

[stricker76]

They havn't been out for as long as the can ams though!

[got wake?]

time on the market doesn't matter. the only way to get real power out of them is forced induction since you can't go much larger diameter on the pistons.

[stricker76]

That works for me. Anyone got a spare turbo kickin around? lol

[Rubberdown]

time on the market doesn't matter. the only way to get real power out of them is forced induction since you can't go much larger diameter on the pistons.

hmmmm, a little birdy told me about something being tested soon on the 850, thats all I can say and I probably already said too much....:bolt:

[stricker76]

thats all I can say and I probably already said too much....:bolt:

Yup, ya did. lol

[got wake?]

hmmmm, a little birdy told me about something being tested soon on the 850, thats all I can say and I probably already said too much....:bolt:


still won't be as good as what we can do to the can-ams :canada: heck, i've even got a project in the works for a bolt on 50-100+ HP. it could be toned down to only a 25-30 HP increase for more reliability, though. the actual HP increase will be up to the end user, how much they want to spend and how reliable of a machine they want. if the project works out, it could go as high as a 150-170 HP increase, for under $7k. the project goal is to produce at least 10 HP per $500, but i think i might be able to make a kit that'll do 10 HP per $300-400. it'll be the highest HP per dollar you can buy for a can-am, besides going with nitrous.

[Atomic_Sportsman]

still won't be as good as what we can do to the can-ams :canada: heck, i've even got a project in the works for a bolt on 50-100+ HP. it could be toned down to only a 25-30 HP increase for more reliability, though. the actual HP increase will be up to the end user, how much they want to spend and how reliable of a machine they want. if the project works out, it could go as high as a 150-170 HP increase, for under $7k. the project goal is to produce at least 10 HP per $500, but i think i might be able to make a kit that'll do 10 HP per $300-400. it'll be the highest HP per dollar you can buy for a can-am, besides going with nitrous.

I didn't realize a small block chevy would fit in a can am frame.

[Vertigo]

still won't be as good as what we can do to the can-ams :canada: heck, i've even got a project in the works for a bolt on 50-100+ HP. it could be toned down to only a 25-30 HP increase for more reliability, though. the actual HP increase will be up to the end user, how much they want to spend and how reliable of a machine they want. if the project works out, it could go as high as a 150-170 HP increase, for under $7k. the project goal is to produce at least 10 HP per $500, but i think i might be able to make a kit that'll do 10 HP per $300-400. it'll be the highest HP per dollar you can buy for a can-am, besides going with nitrous.

Well, if you come out with something reliable, that would add 25 RWHP, with minor fuel adjustments I would get one in a second. I've been trying to make it out to GHR's crib for the last few months, but can't find time. Maybe this winter when work slows down. I like the idea of bolt on power though, nice, and easy lol

[ready2goriding]

I didn't realize a small block chevy would fit in a can am frame.

Can-Ams use a Chevy small block as a starter motor... :pop2:

[got wake?]

I didn't realize a small block chevy would fit in a can am frame.


nope, but a polaris would probably need one transplanted to keep up with a built can-am...

[got wake?]

Well, if you come out with something reliable, that would add 25 RWHP, with minor fuel adjustments I would get one in a second. I've been trying to make it out to GHR's crib for the last few months, but can't find time. Maybe this winter when work slows down. I like the idea of bolt on power though, nice, and easy lol


you won't even have to go into the motor :tape:

["Bankrupt"]

Forced induction ROCKS!!!!

[4x4danny4x4]

Ok so now that I got loxs from u, I need help with the tires. I decided to just run 30SB instead of 32s but how wide of a tire the 11,10 or 9 it think the 30x10x14 would be nice crushed.

[Bad Kitty]

Ok so now that I got loxs from u, I need help with the tires. I decided to just run 30SB instead of 32s but how wide of a tire the 11,10 or 9 it think the 30x10x14 would be nice crushed.

Depends again on what your doing with them. Once crushed I would go wide as I could, JMO though. U WILL like em knowmatter what size U run. Good luck man. Oh, Carefull in the ruts, they bite REAL hard. Near ripped my wrists apart.

[Rubberdown]

If your gonna pit race with them, watery pits would be best with skinnies, if its thick mud, wides on regular rims tend to work best to keep you on top of the slop.

[4x4danny4x4]

I have 30x9x14 on my ss108 front and 30x10x14 on the back, I was thinking of buying another 2 10 wide and put the all 10 wide on the Lox and maybe down the road get the 9 wide to replace the 10 I took off the back set of the ss108 rims . Or just save up and get the 32s and be done with it. I'm just scared at what more I will break with even bigger tires.

[dcfox]

I didn't know they made a 30x10x14 SB.
I thought the 30's only came in 30x9x14,30x11x14,and 30x10x12.

[4x4danny4x4]

I think ur right it's only the 9 and 11 in 14inch rims

[4x4danny4x4]

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad25/4x4danny4x4/photorf.jpg

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad25/4x4danny4x4/photogvd.jpg


The b4 and after of a 30x11x14
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad25/4x4danny4x4/photogfcvbz.jpg

thanks Paul they are great. one question does anyone make or find a center/hub cap that will fit in the middle of the rim?

[scar_11]

looks good now lets see a picture on the quad

[BirdDog4x4]

Man, I want some..... jealous!

[4x4danny4x4]

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad25/4x4danny4x4/iufg.jpg

[froogle]

Looks good man!
Guess it's time for Paul to start machinin' aluminum center caps for his lox...

[BirdDog4x4]

That is sick looking Danny!

[swampthing]

very nice man....they look sexy blacked out too.

[4x4danny4x4]

Looks good man!
Guess it's time for Paul to start machinin' aluminum center caps for his lox...

i found that the itp model 4 series center caps fit well i have them on now, will get a pic up of them

[Rubberdown]

are your wheels aluminum or steel, my aluminum wheels are made on a water jet and my steel wheels are made on a laser, and the 2 different people I have making the plates for me make the center hole a different size LOL. One is using an older file and one is using a newer file, we took dimensions on some center caps from Stricker a while ago and changed the files but one of the vendors uses the new file and the other seems to be using the old file....

[4x4danny4x4]

i have ur aluminum ones and with the caps theres less than a 1/16 gap all around